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Singedfur
01-17-2006, 04:45 PM
Len or others-

With the 007 you get 3 removable spray heads. Having never been around spray guns, how are removeable heads different from multiple tips that other guns come with?

Patricia Brown

Len
01-17-2006, 06:29 PM
Len or others-

With the 007 you get 3 removable spray heads. Having never been around spray guns, how are removeable heads different from multiple tips that other guns come with?

Patricia Brown

It's similar to having several tips because you can spray a variety of materials. The difference comes in that the primer head can be used exclusively for primer and the base/clear/single stage tips can be used exclusively for paint. I've been spraying my base/clear jobs from the two heads without the need for cleaning in between then I clean everything when I'm finished. Cleaning is very easy because the paint head separates from the air handle and the handle can be wiped down easily because the trigger can be rotated up and out of the way. The three heads is more like having three guns while having three tips is more like having parts for the same gun.

Singedfur
01-18-2006, 11:06 AM
I see what you mean that it's like having 3 seperate guns.

Are replaceable parts, such as heads and tips available for that gun?

So to clarify, if something went wrong and I missed a chunk of primer or whatever, such that it ruined the mechanism, would I only have to replace the one head, not the whole gun? That sounds good, if that's how it works.

Patricia

Len
01-18-2006, 12:49 PM
I see what you mean that it's like having 3 seperate guns.

Are replaceable parts, such as heads and tips available for that gun?

So to clarify, if something went wrong and I missed a chunk of primer or whatever, such that it ruined the mechanism, would I only have to replace the one head, not the whole gun? That sounds good, if that's how it works.

Patricia

I questioned the warehouse about this yesterday and I was told that ALL for the parts for ALL of the Dura-Block guns are available.

Singedfur
01-18-2006, 02:54 PM
Len,
Awesome. Thanks for checking.

I just watched "Painting 101": lots of good detail and explanations. You mentioned a "Painting 102". Is this available?

Patricia

Ranchero_65
01-18-2006, 05:26 PM
Pat , He keeps promising but we've not seen nothing yet.. Henry where you at ??

Take Care
Earl

Singedfur
01-18-2006, 07:31 PM
Ahhhh, I see! :)

Patricia

Len
01-18-2006, 07:57 PM
Len,
Awesome. Thanks for checking.

I just watched "Painting 101": lots of good detail and explanations. You mentioned a "Painting 102". Is this available?

Patricia

Most of the camera work is done but not edited. No time since I started this site. Hmmm maybe I should relax a little and start doing more collision work.

ko3579
01-18-2006, 11:07 PM
hello,
Been reading this forum for quite some time now and just now needed to register as to try and get some info from you guys. I am getting ready to purchase a new paint gun and I am leaning towards either the Iwata lph 400lv or the Dura-block 007. I like that the 007 comes with the three heads and all the extra stuff, but then again Im still a little leary of dropping 500 on a gun that I just started hearing about. I have tried to get some opinions on this gun but they are nowhere to be had except on this site. So my question is would you guys drop 500 on this gun or get the iwata. I would really like to have the 007 but again Im just leary of it because it is such a new product and not much info on it yet. Any info you guys could provide would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

jason

mmooney84
01-19-2006, 12:54 AM
I too am skeptical but what i have found in life is you get what you pay for so if it is 500 bucks it should be good. But if it was my money I would stick with the proven guns and then once you hear more about these buy one of the 007's.

Len
01-19-2006, 10:32 AM
I too am skeptical but what i have found in life is you get what you pay for so if it is 500 bucks it should be good. But if it was my money I would stick with the proven guns and then once you hear more about these buy one of the 007's.

Got a call from a pro shop in Alberta yesterday telling me that they are using the 007 along side of the RP and find that it atomizes better, cleans easier and is much more efficient. This is about the same things that I've found in our shop.

kenc
01-19-2006, 11:15 AM
hello,
Been reading this forum for quite some time now and just now needed to register as to try and get some info from you guys. I am getting ready to purchase a new paint gun and I am leaning towards either the Iwata lph 400lv or the Dura-block 007. I like that the 007 comes with the three heads and all the extra stuff, but then again Im still a little leary of dropping 500 on a gun that I just started hearing about. I have tried to get some opinions on this gun but they are nowhere to be had except on this site. So my question is would you guys drop 500 on this gun or get the iwata. I would really like to have the 007 but again Im just leary of it because it is such a new product and not much info on it yet. Any info you guys could provide would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

jason


I would have problems spending $475 on a Chinese made gun. That's a lot of money to pay some marketing guys in the U.S. who outsource the manufacture to China to get cheap labor rates, no osha rules etc. I like Chinese goods - when they're cheap. I like U.S. made goods too and expect to pay for them. I don't like paying U.S. made money for Chinese made goods - Dura-block is pulling a fast one IMO.
Buy the Iwata LPH400 with both caps, or a Devilbiss plus, or a Sharpe Titanium combo OR -sure- buy the Durablock that Len has on special for $129 with two setups- that seems a good price for a Chinese made gun.
Ken.

Len
01-20-2006, 01:20 AM
Actually the Iwatas are made in Japan and cost over $400 and since they only come with one fluid tip and cup (the DBs come with three of each) do you still think they are a better bargain? About the only thing I've found that the Iwata has that the Dura-Block does not is a long track record, the DB sure sprays real well.

kenc
01-20-2006, 11:22 AM
Actually the Iwatas are made in Japan and cost over $400 and since they only come with one fluid tip and cup (the DBs come with three of each) do you still think they are a better bargain? About the only thing I've found that the Iwata has that the Dura-Block does not is a long track record, the DB sure sprays real well.

Yes, I know the Iwata's are made in Japan - but Japanese workers are paid well, have a good standard of living, and are not treated as Indentured slaves.
I am not doubting your word that the Durablock 007 is a good quality gun that sprays well, my problem is with the way yet another U.S. company is outsourcing to a Slave economy - i.e. China BUT has the cheek to charge U.S. made prices for their products. Durablock smacks of a bunch of marketing types trying to pull a fast one on the U.S. consumer - using cheap Chinese labor BUT charging high prices for their product.
Personally, if I wanted one gun with thre setups I'd buy the cheaper - and highly rated - DeVilbiss plus.
.
Ken

ko3579
01-20-2006, 06:54 PM
I got some info from dura-block on the 007, its a bit long but might give people who are interested in the gun a little more insight.


Jason

Thanks for your inquiry. The 007 gun/system has been in development for over 3 years. We finally received patents on the gun and various parts of the gun. It has was introduced at the NACE/SEMA show in Nov but we have been selling them for about 8 months now.

Thru the 3 years of development, we have had the opportunity to get awsome feedback from well known painters across the country. The origional purpose before the detachable heads was to just produce a gun to spray high solid clears. But because we are able to detach the head and separate air from fluid,, the gun can now be used to do just about everything from base coat to gel coat, I even have some customers that use it for trim work / house paint... however this gun was strictly designed to sray automotive paints. Our new nozzle which should be available this summer is a 4.0mm requested by some for shooting heavy metal flake. So you can see, instead of re-designing the gun we can just design the head units to accomodate the different types of paints.

Trade Associates has been in business for over 25 years. We still carry parts for some items we discontinued over 15 years ago. The 007 is a large investment and we only have plans to grow and improve the product in the future.

In regards to where it is mfg. In no way shape or form is it produced in China. Some of the anodized aluminum parts are done right here in Kent, WA. We also do the packaging in our warehouse. Each gun gets checked before it is even shipped to any customer.
Trade Associates, ( parent company of dura-block ) has had a 25 year relationship with the plant in Taiwan. Before each order is shipped, I myself fly over to the factory and inspect the guns. Each gun is tested at the factory for spray pattern and for any other defects. I just did not feel that China nor Dura-Block was ready to have our flagship gun produced in China. Its a great place to have a few drinks, people are quite nice, etc... but on a gun like the 007, quality is very important to us.

Parts are in stock. We carry parts for everything we sell. The 007 even comes with a rebuild kit when you purchase, however we designed the gun to last a very long time. With a solid 7075 forged alum handle and titanium coated needle and nozzle, and over 250 spray sessions with the final production gun, you will not be using the rebuild kit anytime soon.

We also offer a ton of add ons for the 007 from a 1.2mm head all the way up to 2.2mm and soon the 4.0mm. Different size cups, anodized aluminum parts etc...

I may have gone on a bit more that you wanted but I hope that answers all your questions. If you have any more, feel free to just send me a few lines or call us up at 1-800-537-5455.

Best Regards,

Cliff Turnbull
Dura-Block

kenc
01-20-2006, 11:03 PM
I have to laugh about one thing though.
"In no way shape or form is it produced in China."
Errr........, tell the mainland Chinese that Taiwan is not a part of China in any way shape or form. :D


Dear Mr Smith,
In no way shape or form is this medical device manufactured in St Paul, Minnesota. It is made literally miles away in Minneapolis Minnesota. :D

Sorry, couldn't resist.
Ken

ko3579
01-21-2006, 10:02 AM
actually taiwan has its own political system which makes it its own enity. Saying that is like saying something made in mexico is made in the USA. And as far as being made in the USA, Most the manufacturing plants in this country barely pay employees enough to live on.

Len
01-21-2006, 11:11 AM
actually taiwan has its own political system which makes it its own enity. Saying that is like saying something made in mexico is made in the USA. And as far as being made in the USA, Most the manufacturing plants in this country barely pay employees enough to live on.

Boy you're right about poor wages, especially if they work in a non-union plant. This is exacerbated by poor enforcement of the existing immigration laws.

Harry Phinney
01-21-2006, 12:40 PM
actually taiwan has its own political system which makes it its own enity. Saying that is like saying something made in mexico is made in the USA. And as far as being made in the USA, Most the manufacturing plants in this country barely pay employees enough to live on.
Kenc's point is that the independence (or not) of Taiwan is a point of great contention and tension between the Taiwanese government and the government on the mainland. Mainland China strongly asserts that Taiwan is simply a province of China. As an example, so far the UN has refused to grant Taiwan an independent seat, as Taiwan is considered part of China. The Taiwanese government generally walks a fine line, trying to assert its independence without provoking the mainland into forcefully asserting its control. It seems most likely to me that at some point Taiwan will become more closely aligned with the mainland, much like (though under different circumstances than) Hong Kong.

Harry Phinney

Len
01-21-2006, 01:19 PM
Kenc's point is that the independence (or not) of Taiwan is a point of great contention and tension between the Taiwanese government and the government on the mainland. Mainland China strongly asserts that Taiwan is simply a province of China. As an example, so far the UN has refused to grant Taiwan an independent seat, as Taiwan is considered part of China. The Taiwanese government generally walks a fine line, trying to assert its independence without provoking the mainland into forcefully asserting its control. It seems most likely to me that at some point Taiwan will become more closely aligned with the mainland, much like (though under different circumstances than) Hong Kong.

Harry Phinney

If you go to trade shows like AAPEX in Vegas where hundreds of manufacturers display their products and information, and are broken up into different countries, it looks like Taiwan has a lot of floor space separate from China. I don't dispute the political dispute but it sure looks separate when it comes to business.


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I think there is so much money being generated by Taiwan that China will leave then alone until and if it becomes profitable to take over.

I have some Chinese friends that I'll ask about this situation next time I see them.

Singedfur
01-21-2006, 02:21 PM
Ko3579,

Thank you very much for sharing Dura-Block's response! I find it very interesting that there are other heads available. That has been one nagging concern to me, that I would be limited to 3 sizes. Granted, it sounds like they should cover most applications, but it's reassuring to hear there are others available.

It's also nice to know the parent company has been around for some time and does not sound fly-by-night, as some posts expressed concern.

Do you know if they have a website? I would like to try to get a pricelist of all available add-ons and replacement parts.

Thanks! Patricia

justing70
01-21-2006, 04:13 PM
Just my 2 cents, but I have been using the PLUS for a few years now and love it, but have been seriously considering trying the 007. The idea of changing the heads quickly appeals to me, the plus has different tips but you still have to clean the gun out ,then change the tips, a real pain when your pressed for time. to avoid this I purchased mutiple PLUS guns Prime ,base and clear. Total cost about $900 bucks. If you take the cost of the 007 at $479 and divide that by 3 you get 3 guns for about $160 each which is a bargain if this gun performs as well as some say it does. Just some food for thought.

Len
01-22-2006, 11:35 AM
Here is link to the Dura-Block site.



Dura-Block Site - Link (http://www.mark1airforce.com/)

kenc
01-22-2006, 11:53 AM
Here is link to the Dura-Block site.



Dura-Block Site - Link (http://www.mark1airforce.com/)

I couldn't find the air consumption of this gun in their spec sheet. Any idea what it is?

Len
01-22-2006, 12:00 PM
I'm told it's 10.5 CFM at 30 PSI.

justing70
01-22-2006, 01:34 PM
I couldn't find the air consumption of this gun in their spec sheet. Any idea what it is?


At the very bottom of the "more info" link on this site it says 9.5 cfm @30psi
Go to the store and look up the 007 and hit the more info link.

CHill
01-27-2006, 04:54 PM
hey all, first post here.

Im the guy who bought the 007 in Alberta that Len mentioned in the above post.

It took quite some time to convince the rest of the shop that it wasnt just a "looks neat" sort of product. Between us we have 4 SATA guns, 95, 2000, RP digital 2, and a minijet, a couple of devilbiss and an iwata that doesnt get touched much.

After we took turns with the 007, and figured what heads work best with each product we spray I believe it lays down product as good or better than all the other guns. It feels solid, looks great, sprays well and the customer service of both len, and Dura-block have been super. I was overnighted a part for the gun that was acting up upon getting it, and it has been flawless since then.


It has been with me in the booth for 6 to 12 hours a day 5 days a week for about 3 weeks now, so its not that old yet, but it has yet to slow me down, it cleasn easy, and i dont feel worried at all about its build quality. The other main painter is now considering selling his sata to purchase one of these as well, as i wont let him use mine anymore :)

So this is at least one happy painter with a Taiwanese gun :)

if you have any questions on it let me know, i check in here every few days.

cheers,
Colin

justing70
01-28-2006, 07:00 PM
I've been looking at the 007 for some time now ,but just can't seem to pull the trigger and buy it, it's good to hear positive feedback. Got a few ? for you,if you don't mind.What was the problem you had with the gun at first?What brand of paint are you shooting? How does it do with the high solids primers? What tip are you using for clear 1.3 or1.4? If there was one thing you could change about the gun what would it be?{excluding Price}
Thanks, Troy

CHill
01-29-2006, 12:00 AM
No problems with answering the questions.

the air cylinder was a bit sticky, and after a day of painting the trigger wouldnt fully close - keeping the air flowing out the tip. Second one sent to me is flawless. and i have the confidence it wont be acting up, its smooth as silk now.

I shoot mainly sikens products. A lot of the u-tech line lately.

Using 1.3 for clear and wash primer, 1.4 for most colors and the 1.7 for my primers including high solid epoxy.

Biggest gripe with the gun is nothing major, just that i prefere metal pots and the two metal pots it comes with are on the too small and too large size. The plastic pot that also comes with it is the perfect size for me :) Guess ill have to bite the bullet and buy a couple more.

It really is a pleasure to use though, i really like the feel of it in my hand, and it looks and feels just as high quality as any of the other guns in the shop. I find it odd that people complain of the price, its cheaper here by a LONG shot over SATA, and the parts for it are a fraction of the cost as well. A top of the line gun is a top of the line gun no matter where its made so i fail to see why the price should be dropped just due to its birthplace :)

kenc
01-29-2006, 01:43 PM
I find it odd that people complain of the price, its cheaper here by a LONG shot over SATA, and the parts for it are a fraction of the cost as well. A top of the line gun is a top of the line gun no matter where its made so i fail to see why the price should be dropped just due to its birthplace :)

I'm reluctant to chime in again on the 007 because it looks like I have an agenda - which I don't.
But since you asked :D

The reason people pay good money for U.S/German/Japanese gear is not only for performance, but for quality and reliability. They expect that the QA is done by the company NOT the customer.
In your case, you have suffered the typical Chinese malady - a good product with poor QA. Now, when the gun costs $50, we are all prepared to fix or replace the gun, when it costs almost $500 we expect perfection out of the box.

Len
01-29-2006, 02:39 PM
I'm reluctant to chime in again on the 007 because it looks like I have an agenda - which I don't.
But since you asked :D

The reason people pay good money for U.S/German/Japanese gear is not only for performance, but for quality and reliability. They expect that the QA is done by the company NOT the customer.
In your case, you have suffered the typical Chinese malady - a good product with poor QA. Now, when the gun costs $50, we are all prepared to fix or replace the gun, when it costs almost $500 we expect perfection out of the box.

I guess you don't have a lot of experience with this type of product but I've experienced malfunctions with many gun manufacturers from low to high-end spray guns. Their geographic location or govenment seems to make little difference. The real problem comes in the availability of parts and service. I've had more problems with Iwata than I've had with Dura-Block and now with Sata pulling their products off the web they will be harder and more expensive to service.

I've been using the 007 and the GMS guns regularly for a couple months and they are performing flawlessly. Parts are no problem so far and they are looking to expand their business so I'd imagine that they will be bending over backwards to keep their customers happy.

justing70
01-29-2006, 08:14 PM
[QUOTE=CHill]No problems with answering the questions.

the air cylinder was a bit sticky, and after a day of painting the trigger wouldnt fully close - keeping the air flowing out the tip. Second one sent to me is flawless. and i have the confidence it wont be acting up, its smooth as silk now.




Was it just the needle packing making the trigger stick or something else? I was just wondering if the solvents cause the packings to swell? What did they replace, the whole head?

CHill
01-30-2006, 02:08 PM
nope not hte needle, the actual trigger itself was teh sticky part.

and they just replaced the whole body of the gun, only thing i kerpt was the heads.

great service and a great gun.

on the topic of quality control, i have had problems with a few of teh guns i have got right out of the box. The digital 2's display was DOA on the first gun we got here, and the other painter here was saying that his devilbiss had a sticky needle right out of the box as well, needed them to send a replacement too.

The whole quality control thing is mute, its a guarantee that not everything will work always, the true test is to see teh companies support for the product. All of these gun manufactureers that i have used have been excellent, some just charge a whole lot more for it (im looking at you SATA)

Singedfur
02-03-2006, 11:22 PM
I was in my local paint store and was able to see the 007. The guys there said the 007 is quite heavy. For comparison, they handed me an Iwata LPH-400LV and it was lighter. They said the heavier 007 would become an issue when painting a whole car, especially for a newbie.

Those of you who have sprayed with the 007, what do you think? Is the gun's weight a problem, or would it be for someone not used to painting? Also, how is the balance? Is it nose-heavy?

I sure like a lot of aspects of the 007, but this weight thing is concerning me.

Patricia

Roch_Greg
02-04-2006, 12:52 AM
You held them both how did they feel to you?

Once you start painting you'll be surprised at how quickly it's gonna go, it's probaly the quickest part of the whole process.

Besides you won't be holding it the hold time anyway, you've got flash times between coats and unless your buying two guns you'll have to clean your gun and get the CC ready so there will be times to set the gun in the stand or hanger.

If you have the opportunity to get the feel of a gun before buying one I'd go with what feels right to me.

86camaroman
02-04-2006, 08:54 AM
the one thing i dont understand though is if the parts are so cheap to replace and rebuild the gun then why is it so expensive sata parts arent cheap thats why the gun is expensive i understand spending 400 on a sata if just the needle and nozzle alone are worth 200 but why does the 007 cost 4 or 500 in some cases when according to there prices on replacement parts its about a fourth of the price of the gun i still want to try one eventually but i would feel kind of ripped off if i paid 400 for the gun when i could just order all the stuff thats on it for 100

Len
02-04-2006, 02:15 PM
the one thing i dont understand though is if the parts are so cheap to replace and rebuild the gun then why is it so expensive sata parts arent cheap thats why the gun is expensive i understand spending 400 on a sata if just the needle and nozzle alone are worth 200 but why does the 007 cost 4 or 500 in some cases when according to there prices on replacement parts its about a fourth of the price of the gun i still want to try one eventually but i would feel kind of ripped off if i paid 400 for the gun when i could just order all the stuff thats on it for 100

Because you're getting a lot more parts and gun. The Sata is a good gun that's expensive and the Dura-Block is much more good equipment at an excellent price. Don't forget you're getting three heads and not just one. This includes three tips, needles, cups, air caps, as well as three head assemblies. You also get the stand, carrying case and rebuild kit. These are all things not included when you buy a Sata.

I just used my 007 to shoot this 68 Newport and it came out as well as any job sprayed with my Sata.

Singedfur
02-05-2006, 11:57 AM
Roch_Greg,

I'm glad to hear you don't think a heavier gun would be a big deal while painting. Have you tried the 007?

Both guns, the Iwata LPH-400LV and the 007 felt nice, but then I have no experience to be objective. The Iwata was lighter. To be fair I should get an ounces-to-ounces comparison.

I will not buy the Iwata because I do not want to get stuck with ridiculously high parts replacement costs: same story with Sata. I'm sure they're great, but I don't want to commit to that. On the other hand, I'm hesitant to go with a no-name knock-off (the shop was pushing a "Warwick" knock-off of the Iwata LPH400 for $130). So the 007 continues to sound the most attractive.

Patricia

Roch_Greg
02-05-2006, 02:11 PM
Pat;

Nope I haven't purchsed a 007, but did pick one up at the local jobber's cause I wanted to see what they felt like.

I didn't notice that much difference between the 007 and my Sharpe Platinum.

I made the statement about weight because I personally can't tell the difference between the weight of several ounces. It's like to me trying to tell the difference in lifting and holding 5 pounds or 7 pounds.

I'm in total agreement with you on getting advice on equipment before making a purchase (quality, ease of use, maintenance, performance) those type's of things but how a "tool" fit's and feels in "your" hands is, well something your gonna have to judge cause it's relative to you.

CHill
02-05-2006, 11:36 PM
i think the 007 is a lot lighter than the sata's i have, but honestly i never minded the weight of the sata's they felt nice in my hand as well. I dont think a few ounces or grams one way of the other is a deal breaker, more important that the gun fits your hand.

One nice thing im using lately is the swivel cup on the durablock, it does make a nice difference as i can move the weight of the products im spraying into a more balanced position. That makes a much more noticable difference than the weights of the guns.

Singedfur
02-06-2006, 12:52 PM
CHill,

Thanks for the input. I'm glad to hear the weight is not a real huge issue. I wonder why the guys at my local shop made such a big deal out of it? After all, they haven't even sprayed with the 007. At any rate, I think the 007 has a lot going for it.

Thanks,
Patricia

86camaroman
02-06-2006, 05:59 PM
to me weight is a big issue especially on a big car or truck those extra ounces can really make a big difference on fatigue when doing a big job and if you spray all day long thats

ko3579
02-06-2006, 11:15 PM
Len or Chill,
How fast is the 007 compared to whatever gun you were using.

Len
02-06-2006, 11:40 PM
I'd say that the Dura-Block 007 is probably as fast as the Sata Jet 2000 HVLP.

ko3579
02-16-2006, 06:36 PM
I purchased the dura-block 007 from Len, Great purchase experience, for anybody that hasnt purchased from Len, All I have to say is no worries, they have superb customer service, not to mention you can actually talk to someone. As for the gun, I am so glad that I didnt go with the sata or the iwata that I was initially going to buy, this gun is unbelievable. Not saying that I wouldnt be pleased with the Iwata or the sata, but I am really impressed with the quality and performance of this gun. Atomization is just incredible. Not to mention I would have had to spend around 900 for the sata and the tip sets to get the package that is equivilent to the 007 and I just cant see the sata being any better. Thanks guys for the post that actually persuaded me to buy this gun, It was definitely 500 dollars well spent. Also I really cant see the weight of this gun being a problem, if any thing, if you use the small regulator that comes with it Im sure that would cut down some weight from your normal one, that is if it is the size of all the normal regulators that I am used too.

Stanger
02-20-2006, 07:43 PM
How would you compare the Plus gun to the Durablock? I am considering either buying a Finishline III(1.8) for primer, and Plus for finish, or just buying the 007 as an all in one purchase. Which of these would you suggest? Is the Durablock worth the extra money over the other setup? I assume that the DB shoots marginally better than the Plus, since it seems that the RP and Plus are near equals, and the DB shoots a little better than the RP(from what CHill said). Also, what are the real differences in performance between a compliant and an HVLP? It seemed that all the higher end guns were turning compliant, but now the 007 is an HVLP.

86camaroman
02-20-2006, 11:13 PM
i know i own a sata rp and everyone says the plus is its equal and no other gun sprays better i have not used the 007 but i can tell you if its a hvlp then it doesnt spray as well as a compliant gun maybe its as good as you can get for a hvlp but a high end compliant gets slightly better atomization if you know how to use it

Len
02-21-2006, 01:17 AM
How would you compare the Plus gun to the Durablock? I am considering either buying a Finishline III(1.8) for primer, and Plus for finish, or just buying the 007 as an all in one purchase. Which of these would you suggest? Is the Durablock worth the extra money over the other setup? I assume that the DB shoots marginally better than the Plus, since it seems that the RP and Plus are near equals, and the DB shoots a little better than the RP(from what CHill said). Also, what are the real differences in performance between a compliant and an HVLP? It seemed that all the higher end guns were turning compliant, but now the 007 is an HVLP.

We have had just about all the guns (except the new Sharpe T1s) and the Dura-Block is the best of the bunch so far. It atomized extremely well and handles easily like a good HVLP should. Compliant guns are good also but they can be a little trickier since they have a higher tip pressure. We use the 007 for primer base and top coating and it performs flawlessly and cleans easily.

79TA455STROKED
12-31-2009, 07:32 PM
wanna bump this to the top and say i love my 007 as well.
I am wondering what u other guys using this gun are using for inlet air pressure and fan and fluid adj?
The manual says 29psi max but on the gun it says 35psi max.
Wondering which would give me the 10 psi cap pressure.
What u guys been havin luck with for est atom for base and clears?
also what heads u use for base and clear?
THANKS!!

Len
01-01-2010, 09:18 AM
wanna bump this to the top and say i love my 007 as well.
I am wondering what u other guys using this gun are using for inlet air pressure and fan and fluid adj?
The manual says 29psi max but on the gun it says 35psi max.
Wondering which would give me the 10 psi cap pressure.
What u guys been havin luck with for est atom for base and clears?
also what heads u use for base and clear?
THANKS!!

The 007 is the same as most other guns in that the 1.3 or 1.4 is usually best for base and clear. That is a good gun but I stopped selling it because parts are difficult to get and no supplying warehouses stock them.

79TA455STROKED
01-01-2010, 09:50 AM
I have had the gun for 2 years now i think but i dont spray much cause its not what i do for a living.I have the newer version of the gun.Only problem i have had with it is the reg that came with it broke.
I just recently put a sharpe H.O.V. 4410 reg on it.seems to be workin fine.
Always wondered about air pressure though because of the book sayin 29psi max as well as there website but on the gun it says 35psi.
As a non exp painter,its not as easy for me to dial it in as u guys so i was wondering what u guys were using.
I have read that u used 30psi Len but then i read a couple posts where u said u used 40psi on this gun.
Do u change the pressure depending on if ur spraying base or clear?
Im spraying ppg dbc base with 2021 high solids clear.

Also,the fluid control screws out like 7 turns.I know u guys leave these wide open or just screw the adj in till it pushes trigger but that happens at like 6 3/4 turns out.
same with fan control,it screws out quit a bit.
Do u still use this gun at all len?
Care to tell what u use at settings these days?
Thanks again!

Len
01-01-2010, 06:48 PM
It's been a long time since I used the 007 but I believe I was spraying at about 30 PSI. Keep an eye on the surface as you spray, you should be able to apply the paint evenly and smoothly. If you think it's being applied too dry or too wet you should alter your technique, the air inlet pressure or or other gun adjustments and the viscosity of the paint to get the proper result. The change in regulators should be ok but some guns (like Sata HVLP) need specific regulators or they may not perform properly.

As far as other adjustments I start all my gun adjustments the same. I turn in the fluid control until it lifts the trigger slightly, I open the fan fully and I use the recommended inlet air pressure. After I start spraying I may tweak these adjustments but it's usually rare that I need to drift very far from them.